http://flash.gprime.net/media/flash/911 ... piracy.swf
I'm not convinced it was a plane. Not after seeing the footage from CNN either. Looked like a missile hit.
9/11 plane into Pentagon, what do you think?
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I defer to KD's footage of a fighter jet slamming into a reinforced concrete wall. The jet vaporized, angines and all. The 757 is designed to be as light as possible. It's soda can with wings. It was traveling at similar speeds of KD's jet, carried explosive fuel, and slammed into a reinforced concrete wall with blast resistant windows.
Is a missle wide enough to knock down 3 light poles on it's approach?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html
Is a missle wide enough to knock down 3 light poles on it's approach?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911 ... dence.html
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See
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... ml?ref=rss
and
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=6&c=y
People who believe that it was a missile or government consipracy are more than likely the same kind people who beleived the government shot JFK, and that y2k was going to be a catastrophic event.
Conspiracy nutjobs.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national ... ml?ref=rss
and
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=6&c=y
People who believe that it was a missile or government consipracy are more than likely the same kind people who beleived the government shot JFK, and that y2k was going to be a catastrophic event.
Conspiracy nutjobs.
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Shedding ever changing colours,
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as the germ in a seed grows
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Shedding ever changing colours,
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Like the river joins the ocean,
as the germ in a seed grows
We have finally been freed to get back home.
Warf, tell me why you and Aide, feel compelled to so venomously attack the people behind any idea that is not supporting your belief? Just because someone doesn't toe your company line, they are a conspiracy nutjob? Full of crap? Kind of closed minded aren't we?
You are so hell bent that the 'official version' is what actually happened that if another version turned out to be true, crawled up your shorts, bit you in the ass and you were dying of the poison, you'd still deny it.
There is enough credibility, science and unanswered questions on both sides that until ALL of the evidence is released this all comes down to opinion and what you are inclined to believe or not. I could list another 30 websites debunking yours but would it matter? No. It would only be a reason for you to post some debuning mine... and so on...
Since your so keen to apply it, I'll wear the title of conspiracy nutjob happily as it reminds me that I am not like you. I don't accept things at face value; my mind isn't closed to alternate points of view and I don't feel so threatened by a different opinion that I must attack attack attack.
No reply is necessary as I'm out of this thread. My hope for harmless discussion on this subject disappeared quicker than the fib snatching up evidence. I leave this discussion with this quote for any who care...
"In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on the subject, they will long doubt and waver, and continue to accept at least one of these causes as true. Therefore, something of even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick-a fact which all the great lie-virtuosi and lying-clubs in this world know only too well and also make the most treacherous use of."
-Adolf hitler, Mein Kampf
Proudly defending your right to be the way you are,
BD
CEO, Conspiracy Nutjob's INC.
You are so hell bent that the 'official version' is what actually happened that if another version turned out to be true, crawled up your shorts, bit you in the ass and you were dying of the poison, you'd still deny it.
There is enough credibility, science and unanswered questions on both sides that until ALL of the evidence is released this all comes down to opinion and what you are inclined to believe or not. I could list another 30 websites debunking yours but would it matter? No. It would only be a reason for you to post some debuning mine... and so on...
Since your so keen to apply it, I'll wear the title of conspiracy nutjob happily as it reminds me that I am not like you. I don't accept things at face value; my mind isn't closed to alternate points of view and I don't feel so threatened by a different opinion that I must attack attack attack.
No reply is necessary as I'm out of this thread. My hope for harmless discussion on this subject disappeared quicker than the fib snatching up evidence. I leave this discussion with this quote for any who care...
"In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on the subject, they will long doubt and waver, and continue to accept at least one of these causes as true. Therefore, something of even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick-a fact which all the great lie-virtuosi and lying-clubs in this world know only too well and also make the most treacherous use of."
-Adolf hitler, Mein Kampf
Proudly defending your right to be the way you are,
BD
CEO, Conspiracy Nutjob's INC.
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BD,
I can't answer for Aide, and all nutjob comments aside....
The consipracy stuff lacks any credibility and lack of examination of the facts. Why in the world with airplane debris, with AA livery, littered all around the Pentagon, a missing plane flight 77, would anyone contemplate the idea that anything other than AA 77 smacked into it?
Simple question, where is AA 77, if it didn't hit the Pentagon?
Where are the people that died on AA 77? Did they never exist?
Is this list a government conspiracy?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade. ... ctims.html
Do you suppose that all these people are made up?
Do you think that Charles S. Falkenberg, and his two young children never existed, or were disposed of by our government?
Did AA 77 never exist? Is AA 77 hidden in the desert in AZ?
BD, I hold you and your opinions in the highest regard, and I mean this very sincerely. However, I must make an exception in this case.
I can't answer for Aide, and all nutjob comments aside....
The consipracy stuff lacks any credibility and lack of examination of the facts. Why in the world with airplane debris, with AA livery, littered all around the Pentagon, a missing plane flight 77, would anyone contemplate the idea that anything other than AA 77 smacked into it?
Simple question, where is AA 77, if it didn't hit the Pentagon?
Where are the people that died on AA 77? Did they never exist?
Is this list a government conspiracy?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade. ... ctims.html
Do you suppose that all these people are made up?
Do you think that Charles S. Falkenberg, and his two young children never existed, or were disposed of by our government?
Did AA 77 never exist? Is AA 77 hidden in the desert in AZ?
BD, I hold you and your opinions in the highest regard, and I mean this very sincerely. However, I must make an exception in this case.
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Can't you feel our souls ignite
Shedding ever changing colours,
in the darkness of the fading night,
Like the river joins the ocean,
as the germ in a seed grows
We have finally been freed to get back home.
Can't you feel our souls ignite
Shedding ever changing colours,
in the darkness of the fading night,
Like the river joins the ocean,
as the germ in a seed grows
We have finally been freed to get back home.
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I am the largest Nutjob here. I have all the books, read all the trash for years. In fact I grew up watching 'In Search Of' and know just about everything there is to know about Bigfoot as I am a life-member of the Northern Bigfoot Society. For a long time I espoused much of the conspiracy theory proposed by JFK corruptables, that Castro or the Mafia or better yet the Pentagon killed him. But again, another read of a better more properly poised presentation took my attention. That book was called 'Case Closed' by Posner, and it postulated that in sequence the simple evaluation of Lee Harvey Oswell's life answered the question, while a snapshot of the assasination and his death did not. That simply put, to look for a patsy one would see the patsy, but that in a complete evaluation of all available positions the truth becomes clear.
With 911 there is no concrete proof of conspiracy I've seen that even remotely looks believable, including recent footage. Moreover, with a series of varied terrorists and organizations, including the former Iraq, and even now Iran, some in the Islamic world want you and me dead, and while there at it all Hebrews too. I don't need proof to believe that because they are saying it daily, doing it daily, in fact they live that way. The West largely does not.
Now that does not mean there are not problems in the West, but to compare the two is outrageous. And then to make the leap that the US would kill 3,000 of it's people makes me start rethinking December 7th, nor September 11th. While we are at it we should evaluate all incidents in history. There is just not clear proof that FDR knew about the Japanese attack, yet we are told 50+ years after the event he did. In this way we are bad because we allowed the Japanese to attack us because in truth we wanted to join WW2. That lie is hid sandwiched between the truth that FDR did want into the mix, but Congress, both houses did not, so it seems conspiratorial to say that he moved 2,500 sailors and a bunch of ships to a nice target in the Pacific and then turned a blind eye.
Those series of events are hard for me to swallow and equally hard is to believe that a modern President would do much of the same. On the flipside though if I have evidence that wrongdoing was done I'd be first to start making signs and taking to the streets, its just in my nature.
Then again, to quote the National Socialists, we must turn to the big JG who said, "...If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
With 911 there is no concrete proof of conspiracy I've seen that even remotely looks believable, including recent footage. Moreover, with a series of varied terrorists and organizations, including the former Iraq, and even now Iran, some in the Islamic world want you and me dead, and while there at it all Hebrews too. I don't need proof to believe that because they are saying it daily, doing it daily, in fact they live that way. The West largely does not.
Now that does not mean there are not problems in the West, but to compare the two is outrageous. And then to make the leap that the US would kill 3,000 of it's people makes me start rethinking December 7th, nor September 11th. While we are at it we should evaluate all incidents in history. There is just not clear proof that FDR knew about the Japanese attack, yet we are told 50+ years after the event he did. In this way we are bad because we allowed the Japanese to attack us because in truth we wanted to join WW2. That lie is hid sandwiched between the truth that FDR did want into the mix, but Congress, both houses did not, so it seems conspiratorial to say that he moved 2,500 sailors and a bunch of ships to a nice target in the Pacific and then turned a blind eye.
Those series of events are hard for me to swallow and equally hard is to believe that a modern President would do much of the same. On the flipside though if I have evidence that wrongdoing was done I'd be first to start making signs and taking to the streets, its just in my nature.
Then again, to quote the National Socialists, we must turn to the big JG who said, "...If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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Warf again do you think the Govt cares about however FEW people were on that plane they murdered almost 2800 or more in the towers what would be any different here!
But hey Warf when the GOOD old US of A has martial law because of the next attacks THAT WILL BE COMING guranteed, will you still be standing up with this totally closed minded way of looking at things!! They are already saying that its gonna be Sears tower or some Bomb in a big city & it works right into the agenda of the Bush Govt. dont know if i heard right here or not but doesnt Silverstien own the Sears tower too!! But hey go ahead, keep your blinders on that seems to be the way a few of yas like it. The Govt wouldn't LIE to us!!! You see my THEORY (note the word theory) is that there are some that figure they are better than the middle east races & if this all was truly BUSH & his cronies that would make our western civilizations no better than theirs!
Guess what ya better change your anthem because you aren't gonna be LAND OF THE FREE & HOME OF THE BRAVE!!
you will all be like kindergarten kids in detention! If I was an American which I am not, I would be wanting the truth!! Push your govt to release the tapes ALL OF THEM!! Not just what is convenient! ALL!!!!!!
But as BD said it could be biting you all in the ass with official docs right from the desk of your FEARLESS leader & you still wouldnt buy it! Hell he could prolly be on national tv & saying it with his own mouth & people like you would be saying that is a TRAITOR where is Bush!!
So as BD says WHATEVER believe what you want! The sad part is is that your kidding yourselves if you truly think the Govt is totally 100% not involved in the DISASTER!
You'll have to tell us FREE people what it is like to be in Martial law!
BD comon north you could get in the military up here if ya want to avoid the future problems that are gonna be experienced!
But hey Warf when the GOOD old US of A has martial law because of the next attacks THAT WILL BE COMING guranteed, will you still be standing up with this totally closed minded way of looking at things!! They are already saying that its gonna be Sears tower or some Bomb in a big city & it works right into the agenda of the Bush Govt. dont know if i heard right here or not but doesnt Silverstien own the Sears tower too!! But hey go ahead, keep your blinders on that seems to be the way a few of yas like it. The Govt wouldn't LIE to us!!! You see my THEORY (note the word theory) is that there are some that figure they are better than the middle east races & if this all was truly BUSH & his cronies that would make our western civilizations no better than theirs!
Guess what ya better change your anthem because you aren't gonna be LAND OF THE FREE & HOME OF THE BRAVE!!
you will all be like kindergarten kids in detention! If I was an American which I am not, I would be wanting the truth!! Push your govt to release the tapes ALL OF THEM!! Not just what is convenient! ALL!!!!!!
But as BD said it could be biting you all in the ass with official docs right from the desk of your FEARLESS leader & you still wouldnt buy it! Hell he could prolly be on national tv & saying it with his own mouth & people like you would be saying that is a TRAITOR where is Bush!!
So as BD says WHATEVER believe what you want! The sad part is is that your kidding yourselves if you truly think the Govt is totally 100% not involved in the DISASTER!
You'll have to tell us FREE people what it is like to be in Martial law!
BD comon north you could get in the military up here if ya want to avoid the future problems that are gonna be experienced!
Appreciate each day as though it will be your last!
What will you be doing for eternity??
What will you be doing for eternity??
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Warf what about Pearl Harbor? Top officials knew the Japanese were coming why didnt they do anything about it? Well because WAR is a wonderful $$$$$$$$ machine. How many lives lost there SENSELESSLY once again because of the GOVT. So you ask what happened to the passengers? Prolly DEAD sadly enough to say & GOD forbid!
HIDDEN AGENDAS my friends they are everywhere & we are just collateral damage, sadly enough to say!
Warf what about Pearl Harbor? Top officials knew the Japanese were coming why didnt they do anything about it? Well because WAR is a wonderful $$$$$$$$ machine. How many lives lost there SENSELESSLY once again because of the GOVT. So you ask what happened to the passengers? Prolly DEAD sadly enough to say & GOD forbid!
HIDDEN AGENDAS my friends they are everywhere & we are just collateral damage, sadly enough to say!
Appreciate each day as though it will be your last!
What will you be doing for eternity??
What will you be doing for eternity??
Ok Neo in regards to your vaporising theory how is it that the wings, tail section, two 6 ton engines(titanium i might add) all vaporise but yet that ALUMINUM TIN CAN (as you put it) went through 3 SUPER Reinforced concrete walls with out vaporising in the least?
I look forward to being educated on this one!
I look forward to being educated on this one!
Appreciate each day as though it will be your last!
What will you be doing for eternity??
What will you be doing for eternity??
I just wish they wouldn't attack public places. It's the dumbass government that's screwed up. They're falling into a new world order. This whole "global reach, global power" has gotten to their heads. Military precision has come to the point where a munition can swat a fly on another continent. And the nuts in the White House are all too happy to try. The country and it's people are just fine. These terrorist attacks on the people only pulls us together into a lynch mob. If it comes down to the government who's responsible, heads will roll Rodney King style. (Read, Riots)
Ruled by an iron fist government is quite a stretch of imagination. It would take a lot of weakness in the public to allow some move like that to be pulled off from the White House. (Remember, we're constitutionally allowed to defend ourselves.) You won't find many American's willing to give up their rights so easily and surrender to oppression.
Ruled by an iron fist government is quite a stretch of imagination. It would take a lot of weakness in the public to allow some move like that to be pulled off from the White House. (Remember, we're constitutionally allowed to defend ourselves.) You won't find many American's willing to give up their rights so easily and surrender to oppression.
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I can't tell you! You're all ready assuming too much and wouldn't be someone who would listen to my words any way.SLIDER wrote:Ok Neo in regards to your vaporising theory how is it that the wings, tail section, two 6 ton engines(titanium i might add) all vaporise but yet that ALUMINUM TIN CAN (as you put it) went through 3 SUPER Reinforced concrete walls with out vaporising in the least?
I look forward to being educated on this one!
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Not a single one of you involved in any of these threads has listened. Its mindless shouting from all directions.Neophyte wrote:I can't tell you! You're all ready assuming too much and wouldn't be someone who would listen to my words any way.
Do any of you really think your opinion matters? As if your opinion can change anything or make any difference?
The US Government has swallowed and destroyed the evidence. Answers will never be delivered, no matter what they are.
So now you can stop treating eachother like idiots, right?
This evidence:Baron[CotC] wrote:Not a single one of you involved in any of these threads has listened. Its mindless shouting from all directions.Neophyte wrote:I can't tell you! You're all ready assuming too much and wouldn't be someone who would listen to my words any way.
Do any of you really think your opinion matters? As if your opinion can change anything or make any difference?
The US Government has swallowed and destroyed the evidence. Answers will never be delivered, no matter what they are.
So now you can stop treating eachother like idiots, right?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... agon+Video???
It was held for the Moose-oww-weeee case.
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