Campquake Senate

Why Mac's rock :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... amer&hl=en


Any one watch Red Vs. Blue? If not, go here:

http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/archive/

So funny...

Can't help but wonder how they've stayed in business this long... T_T

they have stayed in business because they have cornered large markets in the education systems


Mostly grade 12 & under it seems

...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

Serpent wrote:...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

lack of business applications, games, etc etc etc...

BD wrote:

Serpent wrote:...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

lack of business applications, games, etc etc etc...

i wouldnt say lack of business apps...because there are different ones that do the same, if not more, than the windows/commercial/microsoft - based counterparts... but agreed, on the games part... which is why i dont own a mac yet...

Serpent wrote:...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

My grandfather's mac crashes a lot more than my WinXP PC, which I reboot once a month when windows patches itself and requires it.

and I haven't had a virus or malware since Win95

and... umm... photoshop?

Baron[CotC] wrote:

Serpent wrote:...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

My grandfather's mac crashes a lot more than my WinXP PC, which I reboot once a month when windows patches itself and requires it.

and I haven't had a virus or malware since Win95

ok....osx, not a mac.... bad wording on my part.

...and ya.. you may not have any of those problems, but also - do you know of or have you ever heard of any viruses for osx?

Ender[CotC] wrote:and... umm... photoshop?

photoshop is both pc and mac

Serpent wrote:...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

You don't use a Mac to often do you?

Mac's lock-up far more than Windows XP. They're on par with Windows Me. Except, on a Mac we call it the Spinning Beach Ball Of Death.

And, yes, Mac's are just as sensitive to PC's in respect to viruses and security exploits. They can be hacked in 60 seconds or less. And Apple is far slower than Microsoft to patch these holes. They've even managed to open holes that have been closed for 10 years in Linux.

Mac's also suffer from applications jumping up and down and never launching. Unchecked application dependabilities are sometimes the cause, but no messages will allert you to these facts.

Mac's are also case sensitive to DNS information. Meaning that http://www.campquake.net is not the same as http://www.CampQuake.net. You can have local hostnames with the same names, just changing a character to upercase is enough to throw the system into confusion. It's highly annoying when your server needs to resolve it's own hostname and someone doesn't know how to lookup their DNS domain information.

Mac's also have printing problems. Apple tried to abandon the dreaded Appletalk, but then found themselves without printer discovery. So Apple had to bring Appletalk back in the mean time. Apple tried to fix this with Rendezvous. But then got sued for that name and called it Bonjour.

Mac's also suffer from:
Frequent major OS updates
PowerBooks with defective RAM Slots
Swelling batteries
Logic board failues
iBooks catching on fire
Power Adaptors catching on fire
...And I've also seen hard drives and keyboards that catch on fire...

BTW, they cost more than a PC.

Neophyte wrote:

Serpent wrote:...and cornered the market in *STABILITY*... lack of viruses, lack of malware, etc etc etc.....

You don't use a Mac to often do you?

Mac's lock-up far more than Windows XP. They're on par with Windows Me. Except, on a Mac we call it the Spinning Beach Ball Of Death.

And, yes, Mac's are just as sensitive to PC's in respect to viruses and security exploits. They can be hacked in 60 seconds or less. And Apple is far slower than Microsoft to patch these holes. They've even managed to open holes that have been closed for 10 years in Linux.

Mac's also suffer from applications jumping up and down and never launching. Unchecked application dependabilities are sometimes the cause, but no messages will allert you to these facts.

Mac's are also case sensitive to DNS information. Meaning that http://www.campquake.net is not the same as http://www.CampQuake.net. You can have local hostnames with the same names, just changing a character to upercase is enough to throw the system into confusion. It's highly annoying when your server needs to resolve it's own hostname and someone doesn't know how to lookup their DNS domain information.

Mac's also have printing problems. Apple tried to abandon the dreaded Appletalk, but then found themselves without printer discovery. So Apple had to bring Appletalk back in the mean time. Apple tried to fix this with Rendezvous. But then got sued for that name and called it Bonjour.

Mac's also suffer from:
Frequent major OS updates
PowerBooks with defective RAM Slots
Swelling batteries
Logic board failues
iBooks catching on fire
Power Adaptors catching on fire
...And I've also seen hard drives and keyboards that catch on fire...

BTW, they cost more than a PC.

having done several clean installs of OSX and using them often, yes, i do use a mac often... the unix-based operating system, known as osx that they have widely available, is installed stock, and had none of these occurances over the past several (6) years that i have worked with them on a daily basis. The PCs we have, for example, have problems a LOT (probably 4 times as much) more than the macs that our designers use.. all of the macs are running osx (not sure of the exact subversion number off hand) and the pcs are all running xp either home or pro.. as for opening holes that had been patched for years in linux, that sounds a little odd since it isnt even based on linux in the first place..its based on freebsd, but i get the point.

The mac being hacked in 60 seconds doesn't have anything to do with a mac, or osx specifically - its the network card, and that is specifically noted at the begining *and* end of the video, if you watch it...

Frequent OS udpates - agreed.

Powerbooks with defective RAM slots - i have seen the same thing on both dell and sony laptops... this is trivial and quite common.

Swelling batteries - id rather have it swell than literally explode which is what happens to several models of dell batteries that is all over the news..

(i'll look at the rest of the links later....gotta do some stuff right now.)

Actually the numerous occurences of exploding batteries were in mac computers, which came with Sony brand batteries. Apple had to do a major recall on them to prevent further explosion of batteries and serious harm. This is very recent, if you have a mac, check the battery to see if it's a sony battery.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/24/technol ... /index.htm

Point being, not the specific arguments themselves, but that it doesn't matter which OS you pick or which hardware you think is superior... This is not Utopia and there is no perfect system. The cards you install, the batteries you use, the hard drives that you install upon... They are as important as the entire system in total. Apple has design specification over every piece of hardware they chose for Mac, far more so than Microsoft has. This lends a false sense of security that the system was handcrafted for stability. The hardware is inescapable from defects. And the OS, while having roots in a "Unix-like" system, is still written on top of that system by humans and is just as imperfect as any other computer operating system on the market.

The most disturbing of these problems is Apple’s lack of service packs in-favor of selling the necessary patches as a new version.

Apple is not without its many flaws as Microsoft is not without its share of problems. To actually describe a system as cornering the market in stability is a bold but false statement.

We employ over 4,000 Apple OS X systems with-in our school district. Perhaps we see a larger percentage of problems due to the volume of computers we operate. They’re also used by children, so perhaps user error has another large part in the picture. But they are far from rock solid and dependable, or any other word one might use to describe a system that corners the market on stability.

So basiclly I don't own a Mac because I'm a gamer, need I say more?