Campquake Senate

Bill of Rights? Buh-Bye.

http://media.putfile.com/Gun_grab_big

no offence but when you look at the gun laws between the 2 countries Canada/USA & numbers of deaths also between the 2 there should be harsher legislation. NOT that any country should be as retarded as Canada with the Gun legislation & the BILLIONS of wasted $$$$$ poored out for a lil supposed gun control. I know Warf that you are an AVID gun Nut & i can respect that but there is no BLOODY way a woman like that needs to have a gun be it a restricted fire arm or not. & if she does cause of where she is living then get out! quite simple it seems! & i say this as i am currently seeking to get a Posession & Aquisition Licence myself for hunting, but why leave so that anyone can have them for no reason! I mean what is she gonna do with it hunt sewer rats??

I think I can add my two cents.

I always hear stats posted on both sides of this issue, and it always annoys me slightly. I think it annoys because it's coming from left field.

The operative concern must be that government is not all knowning, and that it should not have god like powers. It does not know best. Nor does a minority amongst the government or populace know what's best for me or my family.

I believe sincerely that government should regulate cars better, because they kill more people than guns do, daily, hourly, annually.

When we operate from the perception that government gives us freedoms when they determine we are capable of having them, we are seriously in trouble. Perhaps we are there now.

After all we must protect our freedom, and this means any law which takes away freedom, however slight, is not something I'd vote for; that government should never vote to take away freedoms, but instead secure all of them and protect all of them.

Brigands cause loud noises in our city after the hours of 10:00PM by visiting parks. The park in my neighborhood is paid for through property taxes from my house, and the houses of those around me. Local government banned use of the park after the hours of 10:00PM because brigands visited the park, caused distress, and the police responded. Naturally this cycle happened several times.

My point is that none of the brigands pay property taxes for the park. Some still visit the park after hours. Some still cause trouble. But if I want to walk my dogs, all three of them, after 10:00PM I am breaking the law.

The government took away that freedom from me. They should have instead rounded up these trouble makers and thrown books at them.

Our western civilzation has got things ass backwards and I fear catastrophe is needed before we through compassionate liberalism out the window.

I don't think her being a gun owner had anything to do with the situation. It may have made things complicated. But she was using the gun with her protest and in her self defence. I think it the gun was used a symbol to prove a point, "Listen ass holes, I'm serious, stay out of my house. Leave me alone!" The mandatory evacuation is the problem here. She's a crotchety little old lady, possibly without any place to go. And probably without any money to keep her going when she gets there. Better left alone in her little cave. She wanted to stay in harms way, even at the serious risk of her health. And the local enforcement is wanting to throw her out to the streets!

SLIDER wrote:no offence but when you look at the gun laws between the 2 countries Canada/USA & numbers of deaths also between the 2 there should be harsher legislation. NOT that any country should be as retarded as Canada with the Gun legislation & the BILLIONS of wasted $$$$$ poored out for a lil supposed gun control. I know Warf that you are an AVID gun Nut & i can respect that but there is no BLOODY way a woman like that needs to have a gun be it a restricted fire arm or not. & if she does cause of where she is living then get out! quite simple it seems! & i say this as i am currently seeking to get a Posession & Aquisition Licence myself for hunting, but why leave so that anyone can have them for no reason! I mean what is she gonna do with it hunt sewer rats??

If you consider the people who are looting, raping and pillaging sewer rats, then yes, that is exactly what she is hunting.

There are other clips that show the cops taking weapons, and leaving the people. Therefore leaving the people in worse shape than when they found them.

Aide-de-Camp wrote: My point is that none of the brigands pay property taxes for the park.

Nonsense. If they live in the city, anywhere, or in the county, anywhere, where the owners of that property pay taxes, then a portion of their rental payments do indeed go to property taxes.

If they live in tents or cars, then you are correct.

Rico wrote:

Aide-de-Camp wrote: My point is that none of the brigands pay property taxes for the park.

Nonsense. If they live in the city, anywhere, or in the county, anywhere, where the owners of that property pay taxes, then a portion of their rental payments do indeed go to property taxes.

If they live in tents or cars, then you are correct.

Actually, there are ways to not pay taxes, legally.. you would have to outright own your property to do so, and know the specific laws regarding this, so it is tough to accomplish, but it is possible. You can even drive without a license, but again, you need to know the laws specific to this. The problem with this, and a lot of other varying laws, is that we live in a country with so much military rule, that well - if you look in history books, you will see an American flag as it should be, but for example, if you go to court for any reason, look at the flag.. it will have a gold border - because its a military flag, and you are in a military court of law. Long story and hard to explain, but just saying... if one knows the law inside and out, there are a lot cheaper (cheaper = no taxes, etc.) ways to live. hehehe.

Serpent wrote:

Rico wrote:

Aide-de-Camp wrote: My point is that none of the brigands pay property taxes for the park.

Nonsense. If they live in the city, anywhere, or in the county, anywhere, where the owners of that property pay taxes, then a portion of their rental payments do indeed go to property taxes.

If they live in tents or cars, then you are correct.

Actually, there are ways to not pay taxes, legally.. you would have to outright own your property to do so, and know the specific laws regarding this, so it is tough to accomplish, but it is possible. You can even drive without a license, but again, you need to know the laws specific to this. The problem with this, and a lot of other varying laws, is that we live in a country with so much military rule, that well - if you look in history books, you will see an American flag as it should be, but for example, if you go to court for any reason, look at the flag.. it will have a gold border - because its a military flag, and you are in a military court of law. Long story and hard to explain, but just saying... if one knows the law inside and out, there are a lot cheaper (cheaper = no taxes, etc.) ways to live. hehehe.

I suspect that the vast majority of those folks who claim rental income take pains to properly pay their property tax. Especially those folks who gain their income solely from rental property. Screwing around with the revenuers is not a wise move.

Serpent wrote:Actually, there are ways to not pay taxes, legally.. you would have to outright own your property to do so, and know the specific laws regarding this, so it is tough to accomplish, but it is possible. You can even drive without a license, but again, you need to know the laws specific to this. The problem with this, and a lot of other varying laws, is that we live in a country with so much military rule, that well - if you look in history books, you will see an American flag as it should be, but for example, if you go to court for any reason, look at the flag.. it will have a gold border - because its a military flag, and you are in a military court of law. Long story and hard to explain, but just saying... if one knows the law inside and out, there are a lot cheaper (cheaper = no taxes, etc.) ways to live. hehehe.

You should wear a suit of question marks, write a book, and run around in TV ads screaming like a loon!

Actually, that is interesting stuff. I heard something like if you showed DMV proff for $150,000 in cash you could drive without insurance too. It's not like I would have that amount of cash free, but I wish I knew some truths to these things people say. In certian situations, it almost sounds like something worth working for.

Neophyte wrote:

Serpent wrote:Actually, there are ways to not pay taxes, legally.. you would have to outright own your property to do so, and know the specific laws regarding this, so it is tough to accomplish, but it is possible. You can even drive without a license, but again, you need to know the laws specific to this. The problem with this, and a lot of other varying laws, is that we live in a country with so much military rule, that well - if you look in history books, you will see an American flag as it should be, but for example, if you go to court for any reason, look at the flag.. it will have a gold border - because its a military flag, and you are in a military court of law. Long story and hard to explain, but just saying... if one knows the law inside and out, there are a lot cheaper (cheaper = no taxes, etc.) ways to live. hehehe.

You should wear a suit of question marks, write a book, and run around in TV ads screaming like a loon!

Actually, that is interesting stuff. I heard something like if you showed DMV proff for $150,000 in cash you could drive without insurance too. It's not like I would have that amount of cash free, but I wish I knew some truths to these things people say. In certian situations, it almost sounds like something worth working for.

In some places with mandatory insurance, it is legal to be self-insured (as in, being bonded for a specific amount of money solely for driving liabilities.)

I don't think $150k does it, however.

Rico wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Rico wrote: Nonsense. If they live in the city, anywhere, or in the county, anywhere, where the owners of that property pay taxes, then a portion of their rental payments do indeed go to property taxes.

If they live in tents or cars, then you are correct.

Actually, there are ways to not pay taxes, legally.. you would have to outright own your property to do so, and know the specific laws regarding this, so it is tough to accomplish, but it is possible. You can even drive without a license, but again, you need to know the laws specific to this. The problem with this, and a lot of other varying laws, is that we live in a country with so much military rule, that well - if you look in history books, you will see an American flag as it should be, but for example, if you go to court for any reason, look at the flag.. it will have a gold border - because its a military flag, and you are in a military court of law. Long story and hard to explain, but just saying... if one knows the law inside and out, there are a lot cheaper (cheaper = no taxes, etc.) ways to live. hehehe.

I suspect that the vast majority of those folks who claim rental income take pains to properly pay their property tax. Especially those folks who gain their income solely from rental property. Screwing around with the revenuers is not a wise move.

I'm trying to think what it is exactly that I heard about property taxes, specifically ... it goes something like.. if you own your land, and have the deed (actually have the title in your possession) you can declare yourself as a sovereign entity or sovereign nation or something like that... and as such, it gives you a lot of rights - one of them being that you don't pay the United States government taxes .. since you are outside of their laws, etc. It is a little different, but similar, with regards to income taxes. When you pay for the first time, you have to from then on, because when you sign, and pay (or rather, file, if you are getting a refund), you are saying you agree to the laws and whatnot of the country and that you will do it from then on, that kinda thing. However, if you never pay, you never have to.. It's not as simple as that, though.. there are specific laws to cite.. I just can't find them right now... but this all is truth.

That sounds like certain reservations around town with large casino's!

Neophyte wrote:That sounds like certain reservations around town with large casino's!

Heh.

I'm sure Serpent is correct about some obscure, and seldom-used laws. I would guess that since everybody isn't doing it, there must be some significant downsides.

While I will concede that it is probably *possible* to avoid some taxes, the huge, vast, overwhelming majority of renters pay rent to owners who pay property taxes, including renters such as ADC's hooligans (or their parents).

Rico wrote:

Neophyte wrote:That sounds like certain reservations around town with large casino's!

Heh.

I'm sure Serpent is correct about some obscure, and seldom-used laws. I would guess that since everybody isn't doing it, there must be some significant downsides.

While I will concede that it is probably *possible* to avoid some taxes, the huge, vast, overwhelming majority of renters pay rent to owners who pay property taxes, including renters such as ADC's hooligans (or their parents).

The IRS is big about getting their money, so it's not done very often b/c of all the aspects of the laws and many loopholes in them. If you know the laws inside and out you can do this.. but trying to, and not knowing the laws completely, can have you buried in jail with the key tossed away. heh..

DISCLAIMER: Since this is a public area message board and anyone can see this, I want to make it clear that I am in no way whatsoever implying or suggesting anyone evade taxes or avoid them in any means or way whatsoever. I am merely pointing out things I have heard and read and been told about and seen some actual information about (today actually, as of the time of this posting) on the Department of the Treasury website http://www.treas.gov)

Rico wrote:

Aide-de-Camp wrote: My point is that none of the brigands pay property taxes for the park.

Nonsense. If they live in the city, anywhere, or in the county, anywhere, where the owners of that property pay taxes, then a portion of their rental payments do indeed go to property taxes.

If they live in tents or cars, then you are correct.

That's just thick in the head.

If they do not live in this geographic area, then they DO NOT pay for geographic taxes. While everyone in the city pays specific taxes associated with roads, trash, and county principalities, specific geographic areas have their own associated property taxes.

What I said is true. If I were to move to another area with a larger park, more water used there, pool facilities, my taxes would be different.

Are taxes in your city and county different? It sounds like property taxes in your area are somehow averaged out for everyone to pay a portion. Thus people in slum areas pay their portion just as the rich do in another?

Don't think so.