Trippy

[SLIDER]

you would be inferring to public govt agencies! However I don't think the CIA & FBI & whatever others there may be fall into public Govt agencies!

[SLIDER]

Speaking of Govt's being very unorganized at the best of times does WATERGATE ring any bells? Or how bout Nixon's death?

[SLIDER]

Sorry not Nixon Kennedy's

[Ender[CotC]]

Somewhere i heard that the "magic bullet theory" was accually accepted on the federal record as to what killed Kennedy.

It sounds like they didn't want people to suspect the idea of multiple shooters.

It's so ridiculous, how could anyone ever believe it? ....

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

Check the pic in the upper right hand corner for the "magic bullet"'s path...

There are some pretty shakey things in our nations past.

But what do you guys think about the moon landing conspiracy?

As much as it could have been faked, why would people pretend that it happened?

[Nemesis[CotC]]

Nemesis, you're stereotyping and nothing you said is based in fact.

Errr, huh?

[BD]

This is from the site you referenced on the turbine hub:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/co ... 265.shtml/

right. It's exactly where I got the quote from:
Some sites also suggest the part might be from the aircraft's auxiliary power unit (APU). An APU is essentially a small jet engine mounted in the tail of an aircraft that provides additional power, particularly during an emergency. However, APUs tend to be much smaller than jet engines, and the component pictured at the Pentagon is too large to match any found in an APU. It has also been suggested that the attack was conducted by a cruise missile like the Tomahawk or Storm Shadow, but these and other weapons are powered by engines no more than 15 inches (38 m) across. These powerplants are obviously far too small to account for the Pentagon wreckage.



It's my point that it's not an APU.

[Nemesis[CotC]]

Speaking of Govt's being very unorganized at the best of times does WATERGATE ring any bells? Or how bout Nixon's death?

Watergate - that's a good one. A minor political break-in, with some paid flunkies, and a top FBI official is leaking it to the press, for which Pulitzer prizes were handed out.

Small in scope, very small amount of planning required, execution is dead simple. And a top FBI guy blew the whistle.

Now, let's compare the two scenarios. To carry out a 9/11-sized operation with complete secrecy is so ludicrous it's off the scale. You can't even see the table the ludicrous meter is sitting on. Like Ron Brown's death, or Vince Foster. Without hard, concrete evidence, conspiracy theories aren't worth the electrons to transmit them.

[SLIDER]

That crash into the Pentagon was not a 757 if it was & the whole in the building was only 16 feet in diameter do the math the wings engines & tail section should have all been sheared off & left outside on the FRONT LAWN! not just tiny hand held pieces a WHOLE tail section 2 HUGE 6 ton engines & 2 rather big wings! It might be alot to try & fathom that the people from a passenger jet are MIA but they didnt hit the pentagon. So if there is cover up there it could be with the other 3 SUPPOSED planes!

[BD]

LMAO!!! Good one Warf!

Guys, listen, our government can't even fix healthcare, let alone plan, execute, and carry out such an attack with the precision necessary to take these buildings down without hiring the best contractor at the lowest bid to do the job! These are a series of unfortunate events which are just as confusing and incredible as the story itself. BD, you're a military man, follow things with Military precision... Did the Military bring you home on time?

Actually they did, which is rare because it wasn't a combat operation.
You are getting wrapped in a stereotype. Are ALL teachers hippie liberals who have tenure so they don't teach? Are ALL priests child molestors? Do ALL republicans favor life and love guns? Do ALL democrats favor choice and hate guns? Are ALL middle aged gamers who post on internet forums anti-social dorks with no sex-life?(or is it just me?)

(this sentence sounds like a conspiracy sentence, not intended that way) One could argue that there are some very smart, very powerful people in government who are corrupt enough to try some shit like this, and have the green to finance it and know shitty people who could pull it off.

Comparing a combat operation by trained monkeys to the DMV or healthcare is like comparing apples to whale sperm. There are many elements of our government that are not goatherders, like the DMV or DHHS.

I'm not saying our government did this, perhaps elements of it. However I don't believe it was a series of unfortunate events.

And warf, on your NIST link (.gov, hello? lol) they omitted the explosions 30 stories below the impact, that the collapse speed violates the laws of physics, the tilting part correcting itself (20 degrees), the basement explosion before the fitst plane hit and the 9 explosions on each building before they collapsed. Good info on the severed columns though.

[BD]

Nemesis, you're stereotyping and nothing you said is based in fact.

Errr, huh?

you said "That would require some sort of evidence. There's a lot of hot air in conspiracy circles, but those folks are not that bright to begin with."

So I rebuked you.

[Nemesis[CotC]]

Nemesis, you're stereotyping and nothing you said is based in fact.

Errr, huh?

you said "That would require some sort of evidence. There's a lot of hot air in conspiracy circles, but those folks are not that bright to begin with."

So I rebuked you.

I got that part. I don't get the stereotyping or factual basis part.

Fact: There is a ton of hot air in conspiracy circles.

Fact: A lot of those folks are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Not stereotypes, just straight fact. Even Art Bell, who is pretty smart, doesn't seem to have it all together sometimes.

Again, there is a total lack of any kind of evidence that military or commercial explosives were employed at any of the crash sites. Explosives leave residues, and those residues last a long dang time.

When that sort of hard evidence appears, then the theories might gain some sort of credibility.

[SLIDER]

Not only the blasts going off 30 floors below how about the MOLTEN steel in the basement????? Wonder what coulda done that maybe the fire from 80 something floors up. Not only that why would it just be main support metal that was melted? Funny if that video was correct in saying that the debris was sent out of the USA before it truly could be examined!

But you know what there are very few who would truly know what really happened and the only one important enough in my books is GOD. It is all a matter of opinion so it seems & if one looks at all the info well there can be reasonable assumptions made but again thats just it ASSUMPTIONS. One day all will be known & i think that there is gonna be alot of very amazed people that there is corruption on ALL levels whether we see it or not! I only pray that these people can realize their grave injustices done to people & will pray for repentance on their HORRIFIC deeds!

[D.A.R.K.[CotC]]

So I haven't watched the video yet, is that why none of this makes sense to me?

[BD]

Nemesis: 1- TThere is hot air because they typically have little power anda bility to get any hard data unless it's leaked, given or stumbled across...
2- you said all of thos people are not bright, now you are changing it to a lot. I'll accept that.
3- There is video footage, there is audio footage. There are fire department recordings of many explosions. There is seismic data, but conversly the G'ment isn't releasing the facts they should to shut everyone up.

Slider: Amen

Dark: yes

[Neophyte]

Ender, the Moon landings consiricies were throughly tested on a TV show and generalized that the landings were not faked.

Slider, keep in mind that the plane was not intact as it hit the building. It allready suffered damage from clipping the light poles. Not to mention that it is not a solid block of steel! The building is far stronger and heavier than the plane. And is made out of more durable materials. Plus it was moving at a speed that would have shattered the structure of the plane.

BD, I wonder if some of the explosions that the firemen heard were not just structures collapsing before the big collapse. I think it is entirely possible that different sections of the floor could have fell before the entire building.